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Sir Sydney Samuelson and Real Picture Quality
A Conversation with Sir Sydney Samuelson. Recorded in London, Monday 17
October 2011 + 28 January 2012 | Read more at in70mm.com The 70mm Newsletter
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Interviewed by: Thomas Hauerslev.
Transcribed for in70mm.com by
Brian Guckian. Proofread by Sir Sydney Samuelson and Mark Lyndon for
accuracy. Images by Thomas Hauerslev, unless otherwise noted | Date:
26.08.2013 |
How Lucky can you be
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TH:
I think we should stop; now, when I usually do interviews like this, I ask
the Interviewee to sort of think just quickly about what it’s like to talk
about all these things after all these years – it usually makes a very good
ending of things, when the Interviewee reflects on me coming from Denmark
and talking to you, asking a few questions – and then you sort of put out
all your experiences.
Sir Sydney: Well, first of all I’m lucky, because I keep reading about
people who are asked if they would be interviewed, and who say, “No, I don’t
do interviews”. I actually enjoy being interviewed, and I think it’s much
because I love history, in general – and I love, even more than history in
general, the history, the nostalgia of our industry. And being lucky enough
to be part of our family, in this business for five generations – 1910 my
Dad had his cinema – his little temporary cinema, in Southport, Lancashire,
with his immigrant mother helping him.
I am lucky enough to be part of a large and close family, that kind of
tradition. And I suppose, having experienced so many wonderful events,
happenings, almost adventures, and having met so many people – good and not
so good! – my watchwords are, “How lucky can you be”. And to find somebody
interviewing me, from Denmark, who speaks perfect English – who knows more
about Cinema and movies than I know (which is saying something, I suppose),
even if that sounds a bit pretentious for me to be saying, but I know about
the history of Cinema, because I’ve been in it for more than 70 years, and –
I read a lot, and I’m interested in people – whatever the success I may have
had in running a major worldwide business concern, I’ve just been the man in
the top office, and I’ve been lucky enough in so many ways, including that I
seem to have been able to pick out really good people to work with me.
So that’s my philosophy, and I’ve no complaints about what my life has
brought me, none at all.
TH: Excellent – it’s been a privilege, I really enjoyed it –
Sir Sydney: I hope we’re going to meet many times again, and you’re going to
come, you and your children and your wife – tell me your wife’s name?
TH: Charlotte – two “t”’s and an “e” – Charlotte.
Sir Sydney: Charlotte...my second–youngest grand–daughter, the one who’s 17
- that’s her there, when she was about 5, I think – she’s now 17, and she’s
absolutely lovely. I so enjoy the sayings of my children and grand–children
over the years – I haven’t got them all written down, but I do remember them
from time to time. And I remembered one yesterday, that lovely little thing
said when she was about eight, she came home from school, and said, “I wish
to announce I am now vegetarian...except for sausages” [Laughter]. Which
hasn’t got too much to do with film and television, not a bit!
TH: Well let me just finish by telling you two things, in relation to family
and things, which I’ll just recall: I have two children, Maria and August,
and I too have a piece of paper with two columns, one for each child, and
all the funny things they say. And now they speak perfectly, so I don’t
update it anymore – like you, I’ve done that. And, you also mentioned things
that your father said to you – my father died ten years ago, when I was 40 –
eight years ago. And we never really got along very well – and I didn’t
really feel I was like him. So when he dies, you reflect on things: I did it
in a way that I wrote down all the silly things I say – one–liners, two or
three words, and realised that that was what I had from my father – beyond a
lot of other things of course.
So when the Church ceremony was over we all went to a club where he came
regularly – we invited all the friends. Of course it was sad, but I like to
think that I changed it to a very cheery mood – because I used this A4 paper
with all the things that he said, which I came to realise that I have sort
of inherited this from my Dad. And people were laughing.
Sir Sydney: That’s marvellous. I really enjoy making people laugh. And at
this Tribute Lunch, I decided I wasn’t going to bore everybody by making a
formal speech. I played it by ear, I just had a card with what I call
“bullet points” – just to remind me. And I always like to make it
light–hearted, if I can. And here I was, in front of this wonderful
audience, who had all paid money, if you please, to come have lunch in
tribute to Sydney Samuelson. We had – I don’t know if you know of a
personality called Stephen Fry – well he stood up to talk about me and why,
in his opinion, all the 451 people were there, and he can be very funny. And
I then had to respond.
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CHAPTERS
• Home: A Conversation with Sir Sydney
Samuelson
• Cinema was always in my Family
• Panavision, Bob
Gottschalk and The Answering Machine
• Stanley Kubrick,
"Tom Jones" and one point
• Dickie
Dickenson, David Lean and British Quota Film
• Stanley, Joe and
"2001: A Space Odyssey"
• Takuo
Miyagishima, Robert Gottschalk and a 20:1 Zoom
• David Lean and
The Friese-Greene Award
• Thunderball,
Zhivago, Techniscope, and Fogging a roll of film
• Ken Annakin,
"Grand Prix", James Bond, Helicopters
More in 70mm reading:
•
The Importance
of Panavision
•
A Message from
Freddie A. Young
•
Stanley
Kubrick
•
Shooting
"Lawrence of Arabia"
•
Memories of Ryan's Daughter
•
Joe Dunton
•
Ken Annakin
•
70mm in London 1958 - 2012 •
The editor Receives BKSTS
award
Internet link:
•
George Berthold "Bertie" Samuelson (1889 - 1947) (PDF)
•
Samuelson Film Service (reunion)
• samuelson.la
•
The Argus
•
British Film Industry Salute
•
Wikipedia
YouTube/Vimeo
•
'Strictly Sydney'
•
Clapper Board Part 1
•
Clapper Board Part 2
•
St. Mary's 1963
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And
I hadn’t given it much thought, but I had my bullet points, and I finished
on a little story, whereby I say, “In this crazy industry, that most of us
sitting here have been involved in, for so many years, one of the best
things about it all is that although you may have noticed that a lot of
people in our business have egos – you notice that? Sometimes, you find
someone with an ego? Only occasionally?” That got a laugh, because there are
a lot of people who’ve got very big egos, in our industry. I said, “Well,
the good thing is, our industry has a wonderful habit of making those egos
crash to the ground!” And I said, “I think I’ve got as much of an ego as
anybody I know – but thank goodness for you all, there have been plenty of
people, who if they thought I’ve got too big for my boots – ” – do you know
that expression? – “ – they do something about curbing my ego”.
“And I’ll tell you two examples, and then we should all go home, or go back
to our jobs – ” - as I said that, I thought in my
mind, “By the way, who has been looking after the whole of the British film
and television industry while we’re all in here, having lunch?” That got a
laugh. And then I said, “Now, back to the ego-crashers”. I said, “When I was
first made the British Film Commissioner, I was amazed; I came out of BAFTA,
and on the other side of Piccadilly there was a man selling The Evening
Standard. And he has a poster below his pile of newspapers, and it looks
like it’s been done in longhand – it’s actually done at the newspaper
distribution office, and everybody gets the same poster –
TH: Oh that’s the photo you have – I saw that –
Sir Sydney: Yes, that’s another one – it’s the same thing though – “Britain
Gets a Film Boss” – that was the headline. And then I saw – when I’d just
been appointed – this poster, in front of this newspaper seller in
Piccadilly, right opposite BAFTA – “Britain Gets a Film Boss”. I sort of
knew it was probably reporting that the government – the Thatcher government
– had appointed, for the first time, a British Film Commissioner. So I
walked over there, and getting money out of my pocket, I said to the chap,
wearing his cloth cap, who I bought papers from for years – I said, “Hello”.
He said, “Hello, guv’nor”. I said, “What’s all this about? – ‘Britain Gets a
Film Boss’”? He said, “Oh, it’s just some bloke”. I said, “Oh, I see”. I
said, “I hope it’s on the front page”. He said, “Nah” (Cockney slang for
“Certainly NOT”) – “I’ll show it to you”. And he opens the newspaper, and on
page 3 is the same headline – “Britain Gets a Film Boss”, and the picture.
The article was about half a page – and there was the picture: a head and
shoulders of me. And then he said, “Here he is, guv’nor, look”. And I said,
“Well who is he then?” And he said, “Well, I’ll have to read it, won’t
I...‘Sydney...Samuelson’ – that’s what it says”. And he looked me in the
eye, and said, “I’ve never heard of the bugger, have you?”
TH: And you knew the man from years and years of buying newspapers!
Sir Sydney: Yes! [Laughter] So that got a laugh...and then, my favourite
story is when again, when I knew I was going to get a Knighthood, you get
told six weeks before. And you’re told before because they want to know that
it would meet with your own approval – because some people say, “I don’t
want a bloody Knighthood”, or, “I don’t want anybody to decorate me”, or, “I
don’t agree with the – ” – it’s called the Honours System. So they want to
know that an intended recipient is not going to kick up a fuss – they’d
rather not award an honour, than have the chap or woman refuse it, for
whatever personal reason they may have.
So you get a nice printed white card, with a gold edge round it, and it
says, “Her Majesty the Queen has in mind to Award you the Honour of
Knighthood. But before doing so, She would like to ensure that this would
meet with your approval” – words like that – they’re maybe not the exact
words. Now, that was the first I knew that it was going to happen. And then
you’re asked not to discuss it – and that is six weeks before the actual
Investiture – sorry, six weeks before the announcement is printed – it
happens twice a year, and it’s printed in the Saturday edition of what they
call “the quality papers” – like The Times, Telegraph and so on – I don’t
think it gets in the tabloid newspapers – and it happens on the Queen’s
Birthday celebration, which is in the middle of the year, and then it
happens again at the New Year. So it’s called either the Birthday Honours or
the New Year Honours.
So I decided that on the Friday night before the press announcement was due,
for the 11 people with me at the Commission – I was going to tell them what
would be in the paper the following day, because not everybody reads them,
as there are several hundreds of names, for all sorts of Honours, different
grades and so on. They always print the Knighthoods first, and in full –
there’s usually, I would say, ten to fifteen Knighthoods, each time. And so
everybody looks to see who’s going to be “Sir”, or “Dame”. I knew that some
would read it. And I kind of didn’t like the idea of these really good young
people who worked with me not knowing a thing about it until they read it in
the paper. So I decided I’d tell them, but not until the evening before it
would be in the paper.
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Sir
Sydney Samuelson and Thomas, January 2012
And I decided, in my pompous manner, exactly what I was going to say. First
I went into our office manager – 45-, 50-year-old hard-working woman – and
there she was, in her little office, poring over some poor devil’s petty
cash expenses list that he’s hoping our office manager will approve, and pay
him the cash. For a taxi ride, or whatever it was, and so on. She didn’t
even look up, and I said, “Lisa, I’ve got something I want to tell you – ”
With that, she almost leapt out of her chair and yelled, “Oh my God, what is
it?” I suppose she thought I was going to fire her that Friday night. I
said, “It’s nothing awful! It’s just something I wanted you to know”. She
said, “Well what is it then? It must be awful”. I said, “Why are you so
negative, Lisa – why do you say ‘It must be awful’?” And she said, “Well,
for one thing, you’ve closed the door behind you. You never close the door
when you come into my office”. So I said, “Well, it’s just that I wanted to
tell you – ” – and the words I’d worked out were, “This is the last day,
probably, that you’ll call me ‘Mister’”. To which she said, without missing
a beat – “Oh, having a sex–change are we?” [Laughter]
But you’re right – if you can make people see the funny side of things, and
even a funeral – my brother Tony, who was the eccentric out of the four
brothers – brilliant guy, qualified as a barrister aged 19 – he was
absolutely hilarious. He died about two years ago, now – and he had left
strict instructions about the style of his funeral. First of all, there was
to be a jazz band, and sure enough, there were four marvellous jazzers
playing away when we went into the chapel (it was a cremation). He had
specified, if they wished to, who should speak, and I suppose there were six
of us – all said some words, very short, as we knew there would be half a
dozen people speaking. And in each case, we talked about something funny
that had happened between Tony and ourselves. And people still say to me,
“I’ll never forget Tony’s funeral”, because it was such a fun occasion.
The other thing was, he said, “I don’t want to come in a Rolls-Royce hearse;
I want to come in a truck”. And so his three sons found a pick-up truck, and
painted it beautifully. And that’s how his coffin arrived. Nobody in black
coats bringing the coffin in – he wanted his sons and their friends to be
the ones. And so it was the most un-serious funeral I’ve ever been to; and
everybody loved it. And actually, when you think of it Tom, it doesn’t make
any difference to the person concerned, does it?
Come on, you’d better go home!
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